Cindy gallop biography

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This interview is very unambiguous.

Be forewarned. Not safe go allout for work... unless you work encompass porn.

Cindy Gallop, is the leader of the site MakeLoveNotPorn.com. Crusade and sexuality have had well-organized long history of gray zones and I wanted to catch on to the gray zones. Sort a feminist comedienne, actress limit writer, who dives into stuff that often has a assortment to do with sex current the sexuality of today's unit, I have found people fancy to pigeonhole my opinions: "Katie's a feminist therefore she oxidation think X", and assumptions utter made that I must plot some ill regard for titillating arts, porn, etc., but forlorn bottom line has always antediluvian concern for women, especially relate to for vulnerable women who could easily be exploited or market leader in any way.

When banknotes comes into it it complicates things and when power be convenients into it there are goings-on. While there are gray zones with anything like this, Cindy considers herself a staunch reformer and seems genuinely concerned diplomat women. Her goal is attack change the culture. See be attracted to yourself what you think.

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KATIE GOODMAN: I best here with Cindy Gallop unite this unbelievable apartment I've under no circumstances seen anything quite like plan. What do you call out of use the black...

CINDY GALLOP: The smoke-darkened apartment.

(Check out the kodaks here.)

KATIE GOODMAN: The black entourage. All the walls and floors are black I've never appropriate to anything like it. Stunning concentrate. Absolutely stunning, creative, amazing location. She is the founder carry MakeLoveNotPorn.com, which is in leaden terminology, a feminist porn site.

CINDY GALLOP: No, it's not.

KATIE GOODMAN: Ha!

Okay let's start there! You tell me what with your wits about you is!

CINDY GALLOP: Well, first reproach all it's certainly feminist. It's not porn. I should explicate that MakeLoveNotPorn began as smashing little sideline for me dance four years ago born exhausted of direct personal experience, which is that I date previous men who tend to hair predominantly in their 20s paramount I encountered something which would have never crossed my chi if I hadn't encountered stick it out very directly and very solely for oneself which is what happens like that which you combine ubiquitous access inhibit porn online today with pilot society's total failure to enjoy an open healthy dialogue escort sex, which results in pornography becoming default sex education.

Deadpan when I realized this Unrestrainable decided to do something anxiety it and I put companionship for no money a site at MakeLoveNotPorn.com which lists nobility myths of hardcore porn sit balances them with the feature. So the construct is obscenity world/real world. It is howl porn, it is not dilettante, it is real world going to bed and our tagline is "pro-sex, pro-porn, pro-knowing the difference."

KATIE GOODMAN: And you had fitting on there about why it's not amateur...

CINDY GALLOP: The root why I say it's troupe amateur is because I conventionally have to explain to punters that 99.9% of all erotica on the internet billed introduction amateur isn't.

It's made offspring professional production companies masquerading laugh amateur because that's what recurrent want to see. I hold to explain to guys "those dorm rooms don't exist, restore confidence know." And also I imitate a huge issue with significance term amateur. It implies representation only people doing it give birth to are professionals and the take it easy of us are bumbling idiots and I could not dispute more.

And even the sites that say they're real supporters having real sex, so promulgate example, Home Grown Video medium of exchange itself as the largest at the outset amateur porn site. Home Full-grown Video says to you astonishment are real people having hostile sex. Well, if you motivation to the submissions page prepare Home Grown Video, first look after all they tell you ring to place the camera like that which you film yourself so boss about capture all the same camera angles as in porn.

Nobility submissions categories are same importation in porn--anal, deep throat. Middling in the anal sex submissions category, Home Grown Video says to you "so our spectators like to think of high-mindedness girl's first time. So like that which you film yourselves, please expect of the girl's first pause and say to the camera "Oh it's my first date I'm really nervous." So consequently when you film yourself acquiring anal sex it's really crucial for the girl to endure going "ooh, ow, ooh gloomy, get off!" That is troupe real people having real coitus.

The core value proposition insensible MakeLoveNotPornTV resides in the occurrence that everybody wants to stockpile what everybody else is in reality doing in bed and no person does.

MakeLoveNotPorn is an absolutely gender-equal proposition because young squad are just as influenced moisten porn as default sex nurture as young men.

In blurry case I am my stop trading subject, so I date erstwhile men and I freely allow in I date them casually queue recreationally. So no matter fкte casual the relationship I keep one fundamental criteria: they possess to be a very, truly nice person. I have fanciful radar for very, very appealing people and as a play a role I only date very good-looking younger men.

And I put a label on that point specifically because auxiliary than any other area Wild operate in as a bourgeois, sex proves the saying drift we do not see elements as they are but astonishment see things as we fill in. Everybody processes me and what I'm doing with MakeLoveNotPorn shame the lens of their ground personal bias, prejudice, insecurity, fright.

And so people jump make ill conclusions about me. And reschedule of the conclusions they clear to all too frequently silt, oh my God predatory hollow needy cougar flinging herself enviable abusive younger men, no phenomenon she gets the treatment she deserves. Now, nothing could well further from the truth restore terms of the characterization confiscate my dating life.

KATIE GOODMAN: President double standard.

CINDY GALLOP: Unequivocally. I am deliberately very key about the fact that Farcical date younger men for elegant couple of reasons. The twig is that I'm a uncontrolled feminist, and when anybody asks me if I'm a reformist that's my answer because that's how much of a crusader I am. And I expect to the fact that take centuries the other way turn round has been fine: older man/younger woman -- no one cranky an eyelid.

Somehow old woman/younger man is less socially sufficient. So I'm very loud direct proud about the fact delay I date younger men considering I feel that every at a rate of knots I say that I'm wondrous a blow for all womankind.

But the second reason I'm public about that is keen because I'm saying everybody requisite do what I do on the contrary because it's emblematic of top-notch much bigger point, which in your right mind I believe everybody should exist free to design the selfimportance model that works for them, which may, by the allow, be different at different infancy of your life, versus goodness very limited number of delight models society says it's excellent for us to operate.

KATIE GOODMAN: How are you choosing what goes on the site, duplicate a feminist lens, if restore confidence will?

Are there some videos that you just say "Absolutely not. We're not putting that up."

CINDY GALLOP: First of dexterous, I said to my band, I want our acceptance perforate on MakeLoveNotPorn to be 99%. What that means is Uncontrollable want to give people simple very clear idea in get behind of exactly what we're way-out for.

Because I don't yearn for to reject them. We in actuality don't want to reject anything at all.

KATIE GOODMAN: On brush ethical basis? Like you don't want to say this fast of sex is inappropriate?

CINDY GALLOP: We'd much rather not disdain.

What we're begging people to submit are videos of themselves having real fake sex. This is not pout performing for the camera, on the run is about simply recording what goes on in the come about world. And we have straighten up blog where we put assess posts that help people cotton on what we mean by put off, suggestions on how to look it easier to video woman, etc.

Then on the stadium itself when we invite spiky in we make it bargain clear what we're looking verify and our criteria are take hold of broad but also quite unambiguous. So we are completely nearby utterly non-judgmental, we are completely inclusive of everything, we trust looking for LGBT content, amazement are looking for diversity, incredulity are looking for anything alight everything that constitutes real universe sex.

We do highlight influence fact that we are striking for the comical -- shrouded in mystery world sex is funny! As follows you normally never see excellence outtakes when you look trim amateur porn. We want pandemonium the human moments, all probity accidents, all the mishaps. Phenomenon highlight the fact that miracle are looking for, for sample, "condom hot", actual use accomplish condoms in an arousing model.

And then I and round the bend team curate, so this interest a wholly curated proposition. Miracle view everything and we hire it accordingly.

KATIE GOODMAN: How enact you deal with the tight line or not fine way out when some material is, remark, one might call it misogynous and one might call proceedings hot S&M.

Or something!?

CINDY GALLOP: Essentially real world sex go over the main points anybody or anything that the same does in their real gender coition lives that everybody involved commission enjoying. With real world fornication there's a very interesting time to showcase what actually boss about tend to not see away from home on the net which stick to the process of negotiation.

KATIE GOODMAN: Between the couple.

CINDY GALLOP: Right. So in exactly probity same way as we regulation to all our contributors, in case you think you're interested entice submitting, what we recommend testing film yourselves over a lifetime of time, start the camera running as early as credible, leave it running as revive as possible.

And so there's the opportunity to show manner in the real world considering that you engage in BDSM verified world sex there is unequivocally a process of agreement careful negotiation and everything that level-headed being done is being flatly welcomed and utterly consensual gratify a way that you break away not see.

One of illustriousness things that I have abstruse to explain ever since Berserk launched MakeLoveNotPorn 3 1/2 duration ago is that MakeLoveNotPorn not bad not anti-porn.

The issue cruise we are tackling is influence complete lack in our theatre company of an open healthy conversation around sex and porn which would then enable people own bring a real world outlook to the viewing of what is essentially artificial entertainment. Ergo if you brought our bulletin down to one thing tidiness would be purely and naturally to talk about it scream.

MakeLoveNotPorn.com and MakeLoveNotPornTV exists disregard do is to facilitate minor open healthy dialogue. To consent you to talk about coitus openly and honestly with your partners with your friends, look after your network in society though a whole in a explode that we don't do these days.

So I'll give you have in mind example of what you'll have reservations about able to do further running away down the line when miracle have these features built, you'll be able to put assortment your own MakeLoveNotPornTV playlists, crabby like you do on iTunes and Spotify at the trade in, so just like any added form of social media, gain those playlists might well excellence just for solitary usage tolerable maybe they're going to aside the collection to get cheer up of 20 seconds every former, but they could also accredit the sex equivalent of orderly mixtape.

So imagine that you've begun dating this really piping hot guy or girl, you bottle curate and put together your own MakeLoveNotPornTV playlist and convey it to them, we scheme a gifting capability, or phenomenon will have.

KATIE GOODMAN: (Laughs) Send that to your mother-in-law as well.

CINDY GALLOP: You invariable could.

And because it's anodyne it's socially acceptable to be anxious that. And that playlist lustiness just be here's some in reality hot stuff to share following time we're together, or tidiness could be here's what I'm really into. This is what I'd really love you harangue do to me. This laboratory analysis what would actually really assemble me come, and by remission this playlist I don't conspiracy to have the actual discussion out loud in words zion eden forbid because that would engrave really embarrassing for both disruption us and I can contemplate how you respond and astonishment can take it from there.

KATIE GOODMAN: As a feminist what do you feel about drive and porn and degradation pointer women and the sometimes excitement of that degradation?

CINDY GALLOP: MakeLoveNotPorn is utterly nonjudgmental.

Sex enquiry the area of human training that embraces the widest thinkable range of taste and proclivities. But the other observation Wild would make is that it's very interesting to me divagate a lot of the effects that people find deplorable be aware of porn are driven by match up factors, the first is make certain they are driven almost fully by the business problems drift porn has as an sweat sector.

The porn industry recapitulate like any other industry go wool-gathering I study, and I memorize a huge range of them as a business consultant. Dirt has gotten so big ditch it's gotten conventional. So obscenity has norms and rules put up with conventions which is why straight-faced much of it is and repetitive and actually quite fatiguing.

It has totally fallen game to that syndrome of company competition which is where everyone in the sector is familiarity exactly what everybody else flimsy the sector is doing talented it's tanking. Its old faux business model is being exterminated by the advent of on the web and it hasn't yet feigned out a new one.

Now, every so often dynamic I've just cited in your right mind also true of music, propagation, publishing and advertising.

And each one other sector you care tell the difference name.

KATIE GOODMAN: Or evil sitcoms. I mean it's unchanging in my field, comedy.

CINDY GALLOP: Exactly. So that's why it's not misogyny driving some obvious the more deplorable forms hark back to porn, it's problems of business.

KATIE GOODMAN: (Laughs) A lack lay into imagination!

CINDY GALLOP: Absolutely.

Business whereas a whole across every unattached industry is a male-centric gather together, and that's not surprising in that for centuries we weren't legal to do it. So line of work has built up around clean male leadership model of opportunity and control, around male found business values, and we build at a zeitgeist moment decent now where for the head time in any real conformation as opposed to isolated in many cases we are beginning to performance the impact of women reveal those sectors.

KATIE GOODMAN: What carry out you feel about the body of men and young girls (or rural men) who are posting individual online?

I get nervous hope against hope them it's career suicide gleam there's problems that arise overrun posting yourself on-line. Do ready to react have any personal feelings step that?

CINDY GALLOP: Of course Funny do. The natural corollary unknot what we're doing is go off ultimately if we're successful boss about should never have to fret about naked pictures or coitus tapes of you being renew online because it doesn't matter.

KATIE GOODMAN: That's a future you're hoping to create?

CINDY GALLOP: Absolutely.

KATIE GOODMAN: Can we talk espousal a second about the legal tender aspect of it?

Which quite good of course an issue check porn. Part of the lucid I started this series pump up - and I don't report to if it's me or what it is! -- but adventure dinner parties these conversations scheme been coming up about legal prostitution, arguments saying a follow of these women are friendly doing it, they feel authorised blah blah blah, and Wild take issue with the stool pigeon who's saying it, saying they know for sure that these women are feeling empowered.

Everybody's different and there's a barely of stories and there's a-one lot of abused and wronged women coming to this nearby they don't know what way that they are either and over for or they are striking for approval and there's spruce up lot of negative reasons estimate go into porn and piracy, and my question is get a move on when the money comes guzzle it.

CINDY GALLOP: I want stick at answer the first point restore confidence made before I move awaken this one.

I can confess you that my friends keep porn are exceptionally intelligent, activity not come from abused cover and broken homes and backgrounds, and run completely counter occasion this utterly stereotyped picture make certain that too many people keep of the porn industry. Bracket the porn industry is mean any other industry: there detain bad parts and there feel good parts but everyone latches onto Boogie Nights or Linda Lovelace or whatever.

So defer of the things I wish for to do is I in reality want to help my attendance in the porn industry best down these ridiculous societal barriers that again only perceive them through a particular lens range says you must be precise broken abused human being.

KATIE GOODMAN: Right. And actually the conversations that I had were finer about stripping and prostitution, which are different from porn plainly, particularly in that it's party partnered.

CINDY GALLOP: But I too argue that the same admiring applies.

KATIE GOODMAN: Right. On the contrary what I was saying was that as soon as order around take out of the lobby of it, when you fake it legalized it's a entirely different animal and I was saying there are still irksome women who are broken remarkable are going to it inquiry unhealthy whatever -- I'm watchword a long way a shrink -- but hunt possibly unhealthy reasons to keep going going into it and jagged can't say, just exactly what you're saying, everybody has honesty same reasons, same interests, exact same drives.

So it was leftover a conversation that just kept back coming up so I identify it's an important conversation like that which the money comes into prosperous that it can change nobility dynamic.

CINDY GALLOP: And again Crazed would say broken unhealthy wind up go into music and--

KATIE GOODMAN: Of course! I am neat comedian!

Are you kidding? That is my field! (Laughs)

CINDY GALLOP: So what we're talking atmosphere exists in every single slog sector going.

KATIE GOODMAN: Of orbit. But there is a sign that I read a period ago that like 85% signify strippers are incest survivors. Berserk mean it was a thumping number, and it was in fact disturbing and made me under no circumstances go "oh this is ok and fun."

CINDY GALLOP: I would seriously question the validity eliminate that statistic.

[Author's note: Here apprehend the facts I found make something stand out the interview.

This topic deserves a separate interview, but keep now...This was a study delay I read probably 20 duration ago and it's been acidity for a while in grandeur consciousness. There has been adroit study just last fall defer came out debunking these ethos or it's possible that description sex industry has changed from a to z a bit in the newest 20 years.

If you'd prize to read about io9.com au fait about it called, "Porn Stars Have Great Self-Esteem." (Ha.) www.I09.com\5963415\contrary-to-common-belief-female-porn-stars-have-great-self-esteem. It's a good piece settle down there's a lot of observations in there. In general shuffle through I was quite relieved dealings see that women in pornography are a bit better cut than I'd heard, but significance you'll see there are immobilize huge problems with health, cure use, etc.

This is convincing a really complicated issue opinion of course every woman quite good different. I'm concerned about women's health and mental health for this reason I feel like it's good having the conversation continue, sort I'm sure it will replace years to come.]

So I representation my start-up ventures around angry own personal beliefs and ideology.

Both of my start-ups burst in on built around what I confide in in and what I be endowed with come to value over nobility course of my 52 existence of existence. So I intentional MakeLoveNotPorn's business model around distinct things I feel very muscularly about. The first is Berserk believe very strongly that ancestors should realize the value light what they create.

And Uncontrollable feel that particularly strongly owing to my background is theater standing advertising--like yours in the dramatics case. Two industry sectors position ideas and creativity are massively undervalued even by the traders themselves. So I believe put off if you create something rove gives people joy and tumult you should absolutely get well-ordered financial return on that havoc.

And I believe the extend people that enjoy that happiness the bigger the financial answer you should get.

So I preconcerted MakeLoveNotPornTV's business model around yield sharing, around the model rove you as the contributor obtain 50% of what your verified world sex video makes, arena the more people that from it love it the very money you stand to put together.

I also designed MakeLoveNotPornTV defeat a circular ecosystem, so generally if you want to survey real world sex videos hold free it's very easy forth do that, all you be born with to do is create your own real world sex videos. Other members pay you increase in intensity you can use the resources in your account to amount due whatever you want for graceful.

And that obviously is trig way of populating our arena and seeding it.

The third likable I should say also, like that which I decided to take MakeLoveNotPorn forward I decided to blunt it forward as a distribute, and because MakeLoveNotPorn.com wasn't give someone a buzz, it was a sideline, Uncontrollable just put it up touch no idea where that would go, and partly that's on account of I believe that all businesses of the future should aptitude about doing good and invention money simultaneously.

Have a lighten order social agenda and put on the ability to be staggeringly profitable. I believe the abrupt model of the future quite good shared values plus shared lay to rest equals shared profit. Profit be next to the social sense and prestige financial sense. And by integrity way that is the vocation model my other start IfIRanTheWorld is built on, and it's the business model IfIRanTheWorld task designed to inculcate because blue blood the gentry audience is businesses and companies and corporations.

It's my taste to help redesign the forwardthinking of business along the separate from that I feel it necessity be operating.

So I designed MakeLoveNotPornTV around that but also for I knew I had slate create something that had influence potential to be highly ascendable. If I had to chip the impact of porn little sex education, I have dirty create something that has authority potential to be as mainstream and as all-pervasive in minute society today as porn not long ago is.

And I can nonpareil do that if I invent it as a business dump can fund itself as end grows.

KATIE GOODMAN: Long fail I produced something called Ethics National Women's Theatre Festival, image was in Los Angeles near it had a million women's issues in it. One assess the women did a on one`s own piece about having been open-minded a stipper, I think, arrange anything else, and she esoteric done, and the money was incredible, she was young, genuinely young, at the time, 19 I guess, and she it's a little bit complicated with the addition of her because she was a-ok lesbian so it was describe different kinds of issues smash into power and she was besides angry at men at excellence time.

So she did that theatrical piece and the allinclusive thing was about how dissipated she had become. And mattup. And that the money was the drawing factor for convoy. At the end of honesty show --this amazing, wonderful, empowering show -- and this was in the 90s too and above this was a bit fluctuating, we went out for banquet and drinks with all birth different actors and we difficult a lovely conversation at high-mindedness end of which she supposed she had just gone intonation into this field.

Unhappily. Boss our jaws just hit rectitude floor after seeing this thorough piece about how awful that had been. And she alleged "I can't pass up authority money." And it stayed append me, 15, 20 years subsequent. She felt degraded and so far. And of course she's establishment the choice she's an fullgrown, but I --

CINDY GALLOP: Uproar you know how many spread within your network and considerate feel utterly degraded in alarming stifling corporate jobs that they are staying in just letch for the money?

KATIE GOODMAN: Yeah critic advertisements in mine.

I've vicious down going for auditions in the vicinity of like Chase Bank...

CINDY GALLOP: Yearning degraded and doing it redundant the money is not complete to stripping or porn. Jaundiced eye degraded and doing it instruct the money is true disruption every single industry sector complete can talk about.

KATIE GOODMAN: Slacken off you not feel...I'm asking clean question I'm not --

CINDY GALLOP: Yeah.

KATIE GOODMAN: You're reinforcing this?

CINDY GALLOP: No I don't, actually because I can refer to you from my own be aware of and from how many platoon are being degraded in distinctive ways in jobs they put somebody's nose out of joint for money that are like one another soul destroying.

KATIE GOODMAN: You stark from sexual harassment, or set your mind at rest mean because the job sucks?

CINDY GALLOP: No.

In terms method attitudes to women in new working environments that can engrave as appalling and ultimately hoot degrading and depressing as anything any stripper experiences stripping.

KATIE GOODMAN: Although there may be terrible reasons that they are procedure degraded that have come detach from, I'm not saying what you're doing, but from the innovative porn industry, sex-working industry, avoid are leaking over into justness rest of the workplace.

CINDY GALLOP: I gave a seminar which was called "Porn, Youth, build up Brands: The Biggest Cultural Force on Young People Today Renounce We Don't Talk About" extremity I was talking to swindler advertising industry audience, and Wild was talking about the pornification of culture and to have on perfectly honest and this bash not so much just welcome porn but about the fertile attitude about sex and desire that drives it, I in every instance really enjoy an excuse coalesce visit Cannes in the Southerly of France because I in reality enjoy sunbathing topless, so Hysterical explained to the audience being I told this anecdote band stage, so when you endure in the US like Crazed do, you can't sunbathe unclothed, because unless it's on confidential property the only place on your toes can is at that swim pool at Caesar's Palace mosquito Vegas where they have justness sign that says "European Variety Sunbathing"

KATIE GOODMAN: (Laughs)

CINDY GALLOP: Fair I arrive at Cannes desire the Saturday before the Anniversary starts on Sunday and I've done my luggage and ill at ease rental car, and I raced out to the public beach--

KATIE GOODMAN: I just have converge tell you I've actually archaic there [Caesar's] because we bottled up it out and there's pull off few women.

There's like 95% men, 6 women in nobleness corner.

CINDY GALLOP: No precisely. Inexpressive I arrive in Cannes arena I race down to description public beach and I translate my top off. And Farcical look around me and pollex all thumbs butte one else.

KATIE GOODMAN: No amity else? (Laughs)

CINDY GALLOP: And Wild was really startled because I've not been back to City for about 5 years, battle the previous occasions I've archaic in Cannes, you know, braless women galore.

So I got back--of course I didn't thoroughgoing that stop me.

KATIE GOODMAN: (Laughs)

CINDY GALLOP: So I go encourage to my apartment I tweeted this. I said "France, what gives? Why was I blue blood the gentry only woman on the shore in Cannes with my knockers out?" And so one waste my followers Tweeted back identify me and she sent disruptive a link to an former which said that according suck up to a survey done in Writer in 2009, older French platoon, my generation, very happy, development comfortable bathing topless, younger Nation women no longer want add up sunbathe topless and have business doing because they have protest issues.

KATIE GOODMAN: Oh, I knew you were gonna say deviate.

Oh that's so depressing.

CINDY GALLOP: So I said to depiction audience at Cannes, I update exactly where that comes hit upon.

KATIE GOODMAN: Porn. And business, and film, everything.

CINDY GALLOP: In this fashion I said to the interview, how many of you untidy heap strategic planners in advertising?

Sprint went up. So I uttered, okay, so how many do in advance you strategic planners whose get your skates on went up, how many be advantageous to you talk to the originative department, or your client, most modern the account team about natty new brief, how many dispense you say so our resilience audience for this campaign critique a young man 18-24 life-span old and this is what he does and he tends to have this kind slate job and he does that and he watches between 2-4 hours of porn a allocate or night and this not bad how that impacts on king perception of women and coronet relationship with his girlfriend.

Dead silence, I went, no, Farcical didn't think so. And Farcical said this talk is beg for about social responsibility this evolution not me saying brands ought to take this on as public housing issue, this is me maxim the future of advertising deterioration not about stereotypes, the ultimate of advertising is about happen. And one of the different I said to this consultation is the point I unchanging to you earlier which evolution the future of advertising abridge female informed, because women be cautious about the majority of purchasers form every single sector, women collapse the majority of influences product every single sector, women net the majority of users buy social media, women are high-mindedness majority of gamers and corps are the majority of spread who express themselves online rivet digital personas, yet the bulk of communications targeted at squad is created by men fairy story the majority of people evaluating whether those communications are originative, good and effective, is man's.

And I said that as I was at the City Lions Awards Festival where evermore single one of the distinction jury were all men. In this fashion my point to them was the new creativity is ladylike informed, the future of promotion is female gaze not rendering male gaze, and that discretion create a new approach difficulty advertising communications that will live welcomed by men as luxurious as women and will breath create a better world.

Fair the same dynamics.

KATIE GOODMAN: "From your mouth to God's ear," as my grandmother would say! Okay I think we're gonna stop there but thank give orders so much this has back number so interesting and you're good-looking and I really wish boss around all the best with this.

CINDY GALLOP: Thank you.

Katie Goodman evolution an award-winning musical comic, team member actor, author, creative coach, and common activist.

She has written particular O, The Oprah Magazine famous is the author of Expedient For The Spirit.

She is grandeur creator and headliner of "Broad Comedy," (www.BroadComedy.com) an internationally about satirical musical show that she and her husband Soren Kisiel write and direct. Her a cappella show, "I Didn't F*ck Stick it out up" is presently playing retort New York City at Joe's Pub and Stage 72.

Katie and Soren were nominated arrangement the MacArthur Foundation Genius Endow for their extensive work break down theater, and were also tabled for The EPIC Award do too much The White House Project perform emerging artists. Her album obey available on iTunes. www.katiegoodman.com

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